she also his promises he had mhm
now what is interesting to me and I come
never quite fathoms it was it
he had two first cousins I had my many
first cousin but two of them became very
distinguished one was somebody called to
Alfred Ennis AG coffee who is the fabric
on Orson the steers tentacles collar
know mainly now for his comic verse he
wrote a very famous poem called what is
it that the wrong with us
can it be a motive s yes the smell and
hideous hum indeed captain Murtaugh
realm so he goes through all the cases
ending up with dominated defending those
controllers when a Tories boasts a lot
of the very funny poem and I've got to
his affirmation see now he introduced
Richard Strauss for doctors who know
about the references to Elektra and
Salomon and another one who another
cousin who was a general who commanded
the ants X now he wasn't popular surgeon
a birth at Gallipoli and impassioned him
and nearly for thousands of people but
killed in sealed a it
under this come on but she was a very
charming man they have some that but
what is strange to me is that these sort
of clutches not as aware spectacular but
nevertheless very distinguished men came
out in sort of boggy Russia place in
them in the poorest part about them hmm
but they presumably came out and then
went to mmm expensive English boarding
schools yes my grandfather there was
something except to do I don't know what
the details I had never been able to
find out but my father my grandfather
soul all the land all the fabric comes
from them in our until our zoo in the
nineties I think it was a scheme to buy
a new business and they just preserved
what's called the domain
I kept it out but my grandfather didn't
back for some reason I never been able
to discover and never went after his
early childhood and so then well I might
just continue that the this very very
wonderfully beautiful place there was
let there to a cousin on my father's
until 1936 then uncle Archie used to go
he died in about 1910 being had a
daughter who lived there and then I'm
sorry to say but it was a very abrupt
descent into hell
my father was a very severe alcoholic
and he also he fell in love with
somebody who wasn't my mother so my
parents were separated about the time I
was born I never really saw them
together but they heard this nice house
in Sussex which was adjoined the
property my grandfather so I saw a great
deal of him for a very early childhood
but through the first six or seven years
of my day there was great enmity between
my parents and of course I couldn't
detect drugs in this visit and child I
couldn't see what was happening but
nevertheless she is something so many
people have suffered from having their
drunken parents that I almost compared
to mentioning but the trauma you say
parents oh yes no my mother wasn't you
tried you know my mother was boss she
was say I mean she she wrote children's
poems and had no she was not but she was
very deeply affected by the benefit by
the split and they did hate one no no
I'm so cook it all kept correspondents
in this degree from pages and pages of
such as letters and accusing it that's
just terrible
through a period of at least tenure
what was your father's occupation he was
a lawyer and his personal occupations
College and I think um he didn't really
like practice he of the bow but she was
he was a learning man.
I mean he was said
well that's what she was sorry wait for
me and I'd remembered his ass in and
read right through go to the end of his
time and a man of great personal charm
well but then he hazarded from the
secret love affair started in about 1930
and he my home was not very populated or
I had two siblings who were older than
me Robinson I had one runner advances
and I also had a half sister who was
semi respectful know she was mentally
ill roots and that the home was not
populated they weren't children in it
and there weren't friends so I spent a
lot of time lonely time not being
properly educated but I mean four five
six and I was ill ahead yeah and when I
was seven my father Meza had me medicine
water cold and I went to see a charging
same method he said I was fit to go to
school so when I was just her in the
years old and never having dressed
myself literally and not ever dressed as
I didn't know how to dress who who had
dressed him I had a governess who who
did everything for me and I went to
through the table Horace isn't
British clubs who which one was not
there well it was one called in as John
house which was near not far away in
Sussex miss etting yeah the air Stan
thought I said on their show I went to a
Kenyan quarterly lunch there who
recently he's about to play those fans
have been pretty matrons which he didn't
have in your day as you remember very vs
people there was a terrifying man called
mr. baza batha Bella he look I talked
about these things but he was you know
did his memories they were going up the
football to play football and he was
wearing
remember those shorts people
professionals were begging very banging
right shows a great big boots and he
shouted out hurry up and then one of the
children said not having fancy lobbies
there's no hurry there's a from look
what's his name was I can you see them
they've got Ben Dover
alright he ran at him with his shorts
mapping so getting the colossal kick
with his boots
she Tillman gentle more or less as a
funny story but it's very frightening
for you every girl to see such a scene
and now that books are full of such
incidents how long were you at this
school well I was ill
an operation about I was about a year
and a half and then I went to a real
snob school called Sandro which was well
known for there were a lot of sort of
famous business name just what I didn't
realize at the time barked me and made
and Timon where was the school that was
in Sally and there were three little
carriage or trovich princes and but
there were real all there was a rather
formidable place with awful lot of
beating were you beaten yes but the
teaching was reasonable well the teacher
was excellent I mean it was a very
important way I do have my education
because he a loser he had savory graces
headmaster because he had a sense of
human.
there was a famous occasion on which a
boy fainted and she tried to pick him up
at pulling at the leg of another masters
pulling at the boys but he pulled at the
leg of another master was trying to meet
him and the whole situation it seemed to
me so surging he became his main chapel
was one here we go to laugh I couldn't
and uncontrollably but of the Masters
who is there
a man called John Graves who told let
him and who was the president of
properties and it was a very ambitious
maths post from Graves was good was he
isn't nothing mister well I got to like
him later he had me thrashed hmm because
and I'm subscribe for a meeting so he
said God leave why are you yawning and I
gave him I said because I was feeling
bored huh
well gonna see that must there was
another clue special masters don't know
they were really well in education even
the maths master you said was very very
good and his ambition for the pilgrims
and he forced me to make an effort so
there's a certain kind of mathematical
there an arithmetic or manipulation who
became easy to me and it's always room
were you beginning to enjoy any
intellectual things by this time wall
only shown really enjoyed was the
English side learnt a lot of poetry
better they get it rather symptomatic as
it is my father said to me you can have
I do five pounds that equals an offense
if you learn the whole of the agent
matter about Christmas
did you I got out to a house intensive
period there 735 and then headmaster
heard of this he said this is got to
stop and never gave any expedition it
was it wasn't coordinated
it's a convention and I still know it I
mean Johnny really well you were you
good at other things by this time at
that school
yes good heavens of course and I also
did a hole in one and I won the chess
championship but I never could was any
good at D so then you went on at the age
of what 12 13 I was a 13 I went to rugby
which I still think was a good school I
began to get very keen on music and I
had two people in know that from about
that time from about nineteen such an
illusion that who would enormously
influential in my night one was the
music master rugby who was called
Kenneth Stubbs he was a bachelor and he
was a pure teacher of genius and I know
he was a friend of double tophi name
very nice hyperbole you're very very
distinguished as ecologist and I was
just thinking when during the time of
the rugby he he trained up no and if it
was six during the three years I was a
six boys who played movements difficult
movements from difficult consensus
I paid heaven for F my enough to three
scissor from Brahms to
all played Maha's tender with a good
Orchestra
anyway he was been a very great person
from every willful was into his first so
I avoided the rigors of rugby I thought
that they were severe but I spent a
great deal of time in his house and he
was learning that clarinet let me over
everything the teacher wasn't a very
good person again a pretty terrible
awesome music even got through a lot of
Moody and the second musical influence
was William William block further
Williams rock
well he he was an extraordinary man he
his own he's only real integrity was
with regard to music he had flat paper
members like factor man if you said a
list of numbers you know 7 pounds total
six months 18,000 he just added up in
his mind he was a very very fun tennis
it was a purple of some and he
well as that lasya he was he was a
repetitive road because he's let me he
was a sponsor during the first part of
his day and is he now dead yes
I don't want any libel suits because I
loved him hmm who knows these someone
second pathological people come in two
families who they're all were and
disrupt them very very deeply left he
came on the scene as well as I dunno
mother's lover but you stay was in
London and I adored him and then I
doubted terrible of the music from
hearing him play what age was this I
started about 12 hmm so my talent rugby
it was in such that feels I was never
really there because I was full time
play by elbow later on the piano and
it'll be best outing most units are did
everything to prevent music but I
acquired two systems of the schoolboy
ball teaching music was very much apart
from has been himself
there's very much a feeling for what
she's done
so I didn't know no scales and arpeggios
properly
were there any academic subjects which
you know getting interested in don't
really and it could chassis sponsor and
there's a lot of English I mean it was a
great region but my knowledge of
classics
began to slip and said and I just got
into and I could do a president have to
get his walks a bit
I wasn't in tall interested
only really interested in the talent I
left okay
my only serious interest was music and
playing above all playing is that what
you went to read at Oxford no I just
wanted option and then I had absolutely
marvelous time that's told you to all
over again
you did we've missed the war the war had
no real oh yes I that advisedly because
although my brother was in the Navy as a
fleet hair up he I was a bit anxious
about him hmm
he flew swordfish on convoys to American
vessel but somehow we got through the
void ship again war began and fallen on
the 2nd of September which was the day
they marched into Poland.
and so it began
absolutely just the beginning of my time
just uh just just before I'm in a good
mood and I didn't encounter the war as a
serious flown at all not at all I didn't
read newspapers it's a week but I didn't
and nobody did nobody excluded and I was
allowed to go with my father to and
during the holidays where there were
mountains of butter and
and the Blackard so didn't affect you
have black hostile and ashamed
I didn't even and went to Oxford and
Wallace just after the worgen no it was
still in just about in progress I went
at the end of 1943 did you hmm what you
see and I was there at auction for three
and okay
mmm beckon and why was Oxford said
wonderful
oh well I had very lovely aroma see new
college hmm I had my mother's time a
threat it was luxury beyond anything
tournament and I had the most wonderful
teachers and and wonderful senior
commoner who were very indulgent to me
have spawned I mean to begin with I was
taught by him but venue then actually
wouldn't have heard of me for Phillip
Andrews PWS Andrews who told me who
became very ambitious fears purples and
had what I can nurse he to be his Rock
said heterodox ideas which would became
deeply embedded in my mind at that time
and he told me the regular things but he
has it's very lively interesting
predictions and manufacturing industry
in her work which she told me and which
would tremendously influential that
self-consciously to me well but I mean
that are going to be young and I didn't
realize that at all and then as time
went on because of a very lively musical
that came with
dr. Isles from Thomas Armstrong was the
who was the organist to treasure and he
was in charge of the orchestra Oxford
orchestral Society and the amount of is
if we got through will be mine a messy
person
Brahms third I mean just huge references
who sure it's infamy great news you mean
sure I mean no end are the wonderful
things we played as a reasonable stead
this is in the Oxford orchestral oh it
was called the Oxford orchestral society
but I had a great friend who was also a
well-known physicist called Christopher
loaded Higgins oh very famous it is who
was a he's a very brilliant musician I
think I did yes
Henry he ran his own Orchestra who
thanks to playing them and then of
course the the biggest event even though
her my - many different ways was I saw a
pendant who taught me for being her way
to school I specialized in comes and
logic not econom ease you could have
done economics when she didn't is that
right really truly interested hmm
wasn't interested in industry hmm I was
quite interested in so it sounds as if
modern greats was really a sort of
precursor to PP&E it was peeping it was
also cool people was it Harry rainbow
passion was philosophy hmm through
tell me something about him your
memories of him well he talked very fast
I really my very oh my almost my first
impression of him was that he was
slightly silly
um because he had none of those grandmas
that came to him in literally none of it
at all hmm I thought it him this being
you know a funny man about him in a wit
a man in whose company you loved and
there was however one I know everything
about this actually and what piece I
read about oh my no because I think it's
very good story both about me and about
him but he she I I always found it I
have always found it difficult to
confront people and so my natural
deserve and he was teaching me was the
summer work out what it was that he was
thinking and then produce what he wanted
so andreen Myers say on logic whatever
it was and he comments on me and then I
would try to work out from his
colleagues what his view about subject
was they don't reproduce this an exam
and then he used his chopper flew on my
revised piece and then I try to do the
same thing again without this must be
about you anything anyways then
I've just gone off about four times and
I was reading it was a fourth first
rinses he suddenly burst out felt he he
I mean really laughing and said how
gloriously artificial was heard it I was
rather mortified but of course he was
absolutely right and you know because
that is questionnaire method and mood
tearing me to pieces I heal forced me to
make a mental effort that I had no
mother had before and really almost to
that moment I oh oh
real real mental trainings I've ever had
did he stop this procedure of backwards
and forwards after that or not
well he gradually took my more serious I
mean the whole thing became was here you
but I had a relationship with him apart
from a pound from teaching my food and
he and we used to used to go to the
cinema together in London was this while
you were an undergraduate
oh no that actually after food I didn't
have a an intimate relationship with
move and to lend ever but there were a
lot of other very a million people that
we notably door David Cecil who who was
an extraordinary entertaining man and he
used to invite me to dinner anti table
which we aren't allowed to do in cable
and was he at New College yes food and
the world of people so it was like being
in heaven really there was much less of
a gap between me Don's and me under an
Agnes Hedlund Molly who she reserved and
she taught me
musical friend hmm
did you go to us as lectures.
yes they
were phenomenal well he and the ones I
went to go slow were they yeah he you
could read them go I winter towards the
end and you just couldn't write in the
end yeah well I think what he was doing
philosophy mm-hmm was he interested in
liberty at that time he didn't talk to
me about me
we talked about philosophy we got me
talk about his background his European
background well just very occasionally
cuz he didn't feature it it was very
light-hearted hmm
he taught I mean yes it and I do say
talked a lot of nonsense I mean he
thought certain words were funny who
don't want that that was a funny word we
said silly things joannano and just put
his persona to change hmm and he became
so immensely influential hmm cuz I don't
know much later on they're quite
different with him mmm-hmm so how did
you get on it in their final examination
I gotta first you did yeah I can't you
have but I did whether any friends of
your own generation who you remained in
touch with all it were influential Oh at
that time now you mentioned long Annette
Higgins loggerheads you know you just
died the other day I did I well I I kept
everything will over in Paris I went to
Paris for three years you me details
I kept up with him for a child though
for various reasons we didn't keep up my
very intimate relationship they are very
close friend that I had was some you
very liked you wouldn't have heard of
called Hugh leach who he was a medieval
historian food and they had tremendous
successes Bletchley and decoding things
he was a man of extraordinary knowledge
crazy okay so he'd come back from
legislators why did you go to Paris
often often um but well this is a big
for you I got a cold my first food there
was only twenty then do a three and a
half years so you've gone up at 16 oh it
sounds just just 17 and I thought and
ambition
and I thought and every John Salley
music I had this is stupid
completely misconceived endian that I
would be able to learn to play the oboe
well enough to add my name even and that
I would still have time to write novels
or be literally have to go to period and
the some extent able to has been three
years it has thank God I was taught by
the professor because I were 12 whom I
had every reason to suppose is a very
good teacher but to buy nothing for very
bad teachers but that was my principal
nature in almost all as I did by way of
life all the Tigers family would was
allowed to play the over I lived it you
know for the first year were uniquely
Spears I lived in it salmon the father
was a director of the French memories
so what middle middle middle class
rather well-to-do they are ten children
all of them you have to clean up a huge
flat in the sixth
now Holy Smoke and I quickly I had a lot
of friends in the British Embassy -
there's a lot of people and then sort of
high social respect - Nancy Mitford food
yes and you met her I know quite well
remote what she liked you didn't like
her was she a snobby is she oh
absolutely
worse did you meet the whole clan of
Mitford sons no I didn't know the young
she was married to a man called Peter
rod who has no and imposes fraud it was
a dull man who definitely and then she
lived a smart life in the home with you
and through her I did meet the DEF
Cooper's room.
and then Diana Cooper
became a best friend who's she
I hate to say it took me up but she I
spent a lot of time alone with her who
says meant to be very beautiful she was
very beautiful she kept everything but
it was her wit but she was very very fun
I'm a good captain
and she done my father and I had amusing
stories television did you say she's now
my father she that is my deafness
probably I just said she told me about
her that and high flotation of their
phone are right about says yeah 30 years
please
yeah when they used to go up sometime in
one of the Gospels they lived you know
mmm have kissing session what she called
great big Lewis proper kisses move so I
couldn't I don't feel that distinguished
merciful in those rather elevated that
was but I did go there that it was I
experienced room and Daffy Cooper who is
a formidable man there's an
extraordinary knowledge of culture by
heart and then draw the pepper D who
lost his bait he's lost his bait how
easily they do somewhat separately
was he an ambassador yes he was
ambassador de France that's right but
not were they when you read about Talia
wrong was that he did yeah and he wrote
about King David as well so you had a
good time in Paris you enjoyed it
fantastic mmm after the war but I
suppose it's beginning to recover a bit
well she was so cheap and so rundown and
I was given I got a scholarship
Alexander Korda
who gave me a scholarship to live in
enough money to live effort to you and
then I changed my lodgings the thing
with the bad part is that was that I
didn't getting him I'm studying music I
didn't get any music I didn't I'd formed
the opinion which I've never quite logs
of the French don't know music and above
all thought French music musicians they
don't like french musicians they don't
know the French musicians don't like
music oh right
used to play such rubbish I once went
into the professor's row it happened to
be a carrier score of the Beethoven
quartet and he said just go fish have
accepted music love me it was the first
step yeah we used to go to music presume
me at the Opera and I didn't you didn't
know I'd learnt music but as you know
what I did to though there were my
musical friends were all Americans who
said being brought up to have a
considerable degree of contempt for all
the many things and to my astonishment
there was a clash of American physics
students who were absolutely brilliant
composers and performers and effects the
first public concert there was a
wonderful girl Sara Cunningham she was
ago she'd written a piece for violin and
ever I planned it was her he was in the
cell plane and anyway one of the big
concept pollution in Paris tonight they
went crazy but my plane experiences with
these were hardly places you know if
ever I did play in an orchestra it was
you love the consulate redcorn
MasterChef darkest otherwise it was a
conducted heart so you've got a piece
which is notoriously difficult to
conduct like the beginning of the last
movement of me of the
she's very difficult to do deliver them
don't doubt a little it identity God we
had to sit down play this bloody piece
well 15 aspiring conducting experiments
came so that was almost all the players
in an August and then anyway what
happened at the end of from Paris he
went well I have most iconic version
hotel I mean justice for the centrist
hmm
period I wasn't feel very old in there
was fascinating yeah fascinating news no
one what happened to you well I did
something which is scarcely credible you
had to pay reads for my over and I went
to see the man who was known to be there
I mean all proper the players make seven
leads but I couldn't do anyway I went
fellows in he said to me that he'd be
lost to play second oboe in okay sure
that was well known at the tent called
the New London Orchestra but he couldn't
do it and would I like to go in his
place
well I had no history experience
remember these here Alex a beautiful
conductor quite a well-known Orchestra
I knew about it and about him and I rang
up his brother who's the fixer and said
I've been asked to play this but I won't
do it unless the election he asked me
kiss me an audition they said ok and I
went to his house yesterday night and I
had the puns
I played the parts and he liked me and
he engaged me and I played it now the
piece we played was actually twisting
through the great sea mana whichever
matter
I see credibly difficult wind paths
movies in particular and I don't even I
couldn't technically present but
terribly you forgot to put it together
and I went along to the rehearsals -
Paige my execution band I played I
played these parts
plays in the concert and I mean I was
terribly shaken I know to my
astonishment the fix was also coaching
brain we have not fixed me up for three
months for my cousin's and as a result
of his absolutely insane burst of
honesty I mean quixotic to a degree that
you could reserve gobbling it up to the
bound that I should be
into the audition orders and I then
became the official second oboe of that
Orchestra and I found myself playing all
over London them and difficult plugs the
second second concert had the the entry
of the Queen of Sheba which has quite
spectacular plans for the two or three
so that's how I got into it and I stayed
in there and I was like I'm at second
I rise to them I also got a job in a
ballet oh I've played for excess funding
and of the Sleeping Beauty and of
Nutcracker well the big one was with the
willies very very the museum pieces to
play once things you think I'm sick of
them good old full of jam and then I got
there I was principal and the babies he
will show his dress and play the server
parts in for year 1951 federal
constitutional says remember there's
five flavors lu4 we and I went to that
then I went back to the where he was
then called them they were all the same
people boy Neil Orchestra and we went on
a tour of United States Canada but all
this time I was getting ill from theirs
performs Jennifer oh and I remember
thinking I can't
I pledged you me be minor masters and
ESCO conducted polls I was a great
remember Ben Stiller just had to give it
up not because there's no loss for the
professional room perceptive through all
that very happy time of being with my am
mustachio being in Paris and although
there was a counterpart which was cat a
point who which was very deeply
distressing but was my father
disintegration mentally was dreamy he
kept his origin way but I mean there was
something and I know it would confront
him with it
David ever talk to him about it and he
became deeply estranged from his second
wife whom I was extremely well done and
then she shot a son shotgun that would
have been just the beginning of my
second year in Paris and he died in 1950
just about the time I was coming back
from Penn he just
which was severe decline but you can
imagine from that little story that
there were moments of very serious
degradation and very conspicuous because
he was the grounding in the Irish
countryside he was living it actually go
well you see he got having been a lawyer
having been a counselor he he then
became he was very skilled craftsmen and
he became the get what's called counsel
to the lowchen counsel parliamentary
comes with treasurer say you used to
draft bills and you dropped it deadlock
holy deadlock Oh
ap Herbert a p.m. he drops today we have
they only divorce.
and that's what yeah
and then he became they got an official
although he was appeared he got my
official job in the House of Lords and
and got the sack therefore perfect think
of ass of himself who in the the pierced
and I wish he didn't die but he didn't
really believe there's anybody ever
noticed it first
so that was all the background to Paris
yes terrible trauma between I mean a
child home Ted is a certain different
distances. 英語 (自動生成)
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