C:
joe manchin and others are missing a
very big point that this is not spending
for the sake of stimulating the economy
spending it's spending on things we
should actually spend so when you when
you built the the highway system in
america
the purpose of that was not stimulating
the economy it was to build a highway
system so that people could get around
the things that this reconciliation bill
is going to address like eyeglasses and
dental care for people who don't have it
like the cost of college uh tuition
it's it's not the same thing as
stimulating the
economy?
Kelton:
i agree with you completely i
don't think we should be thinking about
the proposed three and a half trillion
dollar package as economic stimulus
that's not what it's about it at all as
you say it's about you know the
president was referring to it early on
as part of the build back better agenda
this was an agenda aimed at making some
really big and strategic investments in
things like health care in education in
elder care in infrastructure and the
broad range of things that you just
mentioned so i think you're exactly
right this isn't about um stepping on
the gas pedal and trying to juice the
economy this is about taking aim at many
of the real deficits.
you know the
deferred maintenance the things that
we've long ignored in our economy and
attempting to make some uh investments
that boost economic well-being.
C:
so
there's a there's always this uh
selective concern about deficits and
debt
no republicans had it in 2017 when we
had massive tax cuts that were supposed
to result in everybody getting four
thousand dollars extra whatever the case
is but there there's a disregard for the
millions of hungry children in this
country the millions of people who can't
afford a college education
the millions of people who can't get
their health care the way they need to.
and the the long-term economic costs of
that that's generational that sticks
around for decades if you fail people on
that front if you if you we've seen it
with the child tax credit
you give people a little bit of money up
front who actually need the money and it
immediately betters their circumstance
circumstance and and therefore enriches
the economy?
Kelton:
yeah i mean that's a perfect example
because this is a single provision in a
piece of legislation that congress
passed this march and just that single
provision the expansion of the child tax
credit is going to lift almost half of
all the kids who were living in poverty
in this country out of poverty the
problem is it was a temporary move and
what this next piece of legislation in
the three and a half trillion that's
being proposed there is an effort to
make that more permanent to extend it up
to five years and so you know you you
look at an accomplishment like that you
say we just pulled almost half of all
the kids living in this country out of
poverty.
why on earth would we let them
slide back in we've demonstrated how
easy it was to pull half of them out why
don't we turn our attention to the other
half it was pretty cheap
compared to a whole bunch of other
things we do .
C:
um pretty cheap
i guess my question is the inflation
cudgel is back and and people often use
it with respect to if we have too much
debt um
the money will be worth less and we'll
have inflation the inflation that we're
seeing today is real gas prices are up
50 off uh from where they were last year
none of which has anything to do with
debt or or deficits?
Kelton:
that's absolutely right i mean what
we're experiencing or what i've been
calling growing pains we have just been
through and and let's be real we're
still going through it right this virus
is not done with us and so
we have an economy and i'm talking about
a global economy that has experienced in
different parts of the world at
different times waves of the coronavirus
that have led to shutdowns lockdowns
partials shutdowns disruptions in the
supply chain and the ability to produce
and manufacture and ship goods and
services.
and i think we have actually
held up remarkably well in light of all
that we've been through yes inflation is
running hot it's moderating and i think
we're starting to make the adjustments
that are necessary to bring the economy
fully back online and to bring inflation
back down to more normal levels and
we're seeing it already begin to happen
i think we're getting there.
and i think
you're right we're we're starting to see
some republicans many republicans and
maybe some democrats get skittish in
light of uh recent inflationary
pressures.
but you got to keep in mind
that so much of what is in this proposed
3.5 trillion dollar spending package
actually helps mitigate inflationary
pressures.
there's money there to build
more semiconductors there's money there
to help with child care so people can
enter the labor market again you know so
what i'm saying is that you can actually
spend money and reduce inflationary
pressures we shouldn't be thinking of
all spending as something that
necessarily pushes prices higher a lot
of what we're proposing here or what's
being proposed actually has the
potential to build our economic capacity
increase productivity and help reduce
inflationary pressures.
C:
but we have this
built-in reaction that when you give
poor and low wealth people anything
it's a giveaway that the rest of us and
our grandchildren are going to be paying
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赤字についてジョー・マンチン氏が知っておくべき情報
C:
ジョー・マンチンをはじめとする人々は、非常に大きなポイントを見逃しています。これは景気刺激のための支出ではなく、実際に支出すべきものへの支出なのです。あなたがアメリカの高速道路網を建設したとき、その目的は景気刺激ではなく、この和解法案が対処しようとしている、眼鏡や歯科治療を受けられない人々のための高速道路網を建設することでした。
ケルトン
私はあなたに完全に同意します。提案されている3.5兆ドルのパッケージを経済刺激策として考えるべきではないと思います。あなたがおっしゃるように、それは全く関係のないことです。これは、医療、教育、高齢者介護、インフラなど、今おっしゃったような幅広い分野に、大規模で戦略的な投資を行うことを目的としたアジェンダでした。延期されていたメンテナンスや、長い間無視されてきた経済上の問題を解決し、経済的な幸福を高めるための投資を行おうとしているのです。
C:
共和党は2017年に大規模な減税を行い、全員が4,000ドル余分に得られることになっていましたが、何百万人もの飢えた子供たちや、大学教育を受ける余裕のない何百万人もの人々、必要な医療を受けられない何百万人もの人々を無視していました。また、長期的な経済的コストは、世代を超えて何十年にもわたって続きます。もしあなたがその面で人々を失望させてしまったら、もしあなたが、もしあなたが、子供の税額控除で見たように、実際にお金を必要としている人々に前もって少しのお金を与え、それがすぐに彼らの状況を改善し、その結果、経済を豊かにすることができますか？
ケルトン
今年の3月に議会で可決された法案の中の1つの条項ですが、この条項1つで、子供の税額控除の拡大は、国内で貧困に苦しむ子供たちの約半分を貧困から救い出すことになります。問題は、それが一時的なものだったということです。次の法案では、3.5兆円の予算の中で、この制度をより恒久的なものにして、5年まで延長することが検討されています。いったいなぜ、彼らを元の場所に戻してしまうのでしょうか。私たちは、彼らの半分を救い出すことがいかに簡単であったかを実証しましたが、残りの半分に目を向けてみませんか。
C:
私の質問は、インフレの棍棒が戻ってきたことです。人々はよく、もし借金が多すぎれば、お金の価値が下がり、インフレになるという意味で使っていますが、今日私たちが見ているインフレは、実際のガソリン価格が去年よりも50ドルも上がっています。
ケルトン
私たちが経験していること、私が成長痛と呼んでいることは、私たちが経験してきたことであり、現実的にはまだ経験しています。
インフレ率は上昇していますが、緩やかになっています。そして、経済を完全にオンラインに戻し、インフレ率を通常のレベルに戻すために必要な調整を始めていると思います。
あなたの言うとおり、最近のインフレ圧力を考慮して、一部の共和党員、多くの共和党員、そしておそらく一部の民主党員が臆病になり始めていると思います。
しかし、この3兆5000億ドルの歳出計画の多くは、実際にはインフレ圧力を緩和するのに役立つということを覚えておく必要があります。私が言いたいのは、お金を使えば実際にインフレ圧力を下げることができるということです。すべての支出が必ずしも物価を押し上げるものだと考えるべきではありません。
C:
しかし、私たちには、貧しい人々や低所得者に何かを与えることは、残りの私たちや私たちの孫たちがその代償を払うことになるという反応があります。
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